In other words, what we’re dealing with here is not a living culture but a revanchist one.
Balon Greyjoy, separated by his feudal taxes from the need to feed himself from his own labor, might turn up his nose at goods bought with gold, but the Tyroshi trading galley and the Ibbenese Cog in the harbor are trading with someone and they’re not going to come if iron is the only thing on offer. More importantly, the Ironborn themselves have had to turn to peaceful occupations to eat and survive, no matter what the Iron Price and the Gold Price might say. While House Codd is despised by the nobility of the Iron Islands, the reality is that the overwhelming majority of Ironborn probably have thrall blood in them. The Ironborn do not practice the Old Way as the Mallisters note, the “the bell” meant to warn Seagard of Ironborn raiders “has been rung just once in three hundred years.”Three hundred years is a long time, approximately twelve generations in length, long enough to obliterate the distinction between master and slave (especially when slavery is not practiced across the generations).
That does not make Westerosi factions into 'cardboard cutouts'. Yes, Westeros doesn't have the same level of detail as the Roman Empire does, but incredibly few fictional factions do. So what? Westeros also has far more to it's history and culture than the cliches you insist on focusing on and use as justification of your claim that everything in ASOIAF is a parody of real life. And no, the Spartans did not 'empower women', it was just that life in Sparta was marginally less horrible for women than it was in the rest of Ancient Greece, which is so low a bar as to be damning in itself.Īnd yes, the Romans accomplished great things. So your argument is that the atrocities of the Spartans were okay because they weren't better or worse than anyone else in the era.except that applies to the Westerosi too. But your claim that 'all factions are cardboard cutouts far worse than real life' is completely nonsensical. How is that not imperialistic?Īnd yes, GRRM admittedly used some silly cliches in his world building.
You said 'this dirt road is a sign of the inferiority of the Westerosi savages'. Everything in ASOIAF is a parody of everything that worked in real life.Ī cursory search of any of the main ASOIAF threads in Spacebattles SkySage24 will tell you just how the fans there feel about irl cultures and nations that are butchered and twisted.Īnd the author has the gall to claim that be based them "off history". How dare i criticise GRRM for making cardboard cuts out. In fact, many of the things in ASOIAF he stated were based on history.or whatever he understands of it i.e the cool bits/pop-culture history. Oh noes, i criticise GRRM for making cardboard cutouts of factions.who he claimed was based on factions that existed in real life!. They created feats and works of engineering that last to this day. At their height, them embodied civic duty.to the point where the Greeks who viewed themselves as culturally superior admired the Romans for that trait. Same with Rome, yes they did alot of bad things as you mentioned, but as i said, they were no better or worse than others, slaves could earn their freedom, they were an inclusive culture when everyone else at that time period was exclusive.
On the flip side of the coin they had their achievements, notably being a society that actually EMPOWERED women, something that was completely unheard of at that time period. The Spartans, were nasty to be sure, but they were no better or worse than the other nations of that period. Nice job friend, you really got me there.i mean, every single country in Europe during the Middle Ages was dungfilled shithole, where all the nobles could do whatever they want, killed whatever they want, make up whatever laws they way.oh wait. Is immediately called out as a imperialist despite it being nothing more than the truth.
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